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X alignment clue
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K1 "KEY", mb next clue on...
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Transpositions - how far ...
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Is a Playfair really excl...
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The IQLUSION clue
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Two parts K4 hypothesis
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  Hello
Posted by: WilliamJames - 03-16-2019, 06:31 AM - Forum: Kryptos - No Replies

Hello i'm William James form dallas tx, 

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Lightbulb X alignment clue
Posted by: adrien.loridan - 12-20-2018, 06:08 PM - Forum: Kryptos - Replies (3)

T W A S T O T A L L Y I N V I S I B L E H O W S T H A T P O S S 

I B L E T H E Y U S E D T H E E A R T H S M A G N E T I C F I E 
L D X T H E I N F O R M A T I O N W A S G A T H E R E D A N D T 
R A N S M I T T E D U N D E R G R U U N D T O A N U N K N O W N 
L O C A T I O N X D O E S L A N G L E Y K N O W A B O U T T H I 
S T H E Y S H O U L D I T S B U R I E D O U T T H E R E S O M E 
W H E R E X W H O K N O W S T H E E X A C T L O C A T I O N O N 
L Y W W T H I S W A S H I S L A S T M E S S A G E X T H I R T Y 
E I G H T D E G R E E S F I F T Y S E V E N M I N U T E S S I
P O I N T F I V E S E C O N D S N O R T H S E V E N T Y S E V E 
N D E G R E E S E I G H T M I N U T E S F O R T Y F O U R S E C 
O N D S W E S T X L A Y E R T W O S L O W L Y D E S P A R A T L Y
S L O W L Y T H E R E M A I N S O F P A S S A G E D E B R I S T
H A T E N C U M B E R E D T H E L O W E R P A R T O F T H E D O
O R W A Y W A S R E M O V E D W I T H T R E M B L I N G H A N D
S I M A D E A T I N Y B R E A C H I N T H E U P P E R L E F T H
A N D C O R N E R A N D T H E N W I D E N I N G T H E H O L E A
L I T T L E I I N S E R T E D T H E C A N D L E A N D P E E R E
D I N T H E H O T A I R E S C A P I N G F R O M T H E C H A M B
E R C A U S E D T H E F L A M E T O F L I C K E R B U T P R E S 
E N T L Y D E T A I L S O F T H E R O O M W I T H I N E M E R G
E D F R O M T H E M I S T X C A N Y O U S E E A N Y T H I N G Q

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  K1 "KEY", mb next clue on K4 "ADD"?
Posted by: adrien.loridan - 12-20-2018, 05:58 PM - Forum: Kryptos - Replies (1)

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...........................OBKR

UOXOGHULBSOLIFBBWFLRVQQPRNGKSSO
TWTQSJQSSEKZZWATJKLUDIAWINFBNYP
VTTMZFPKWGDKZXTJCDIGKUHUAUEKCAR
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split part 4 into 6 fragments and remove "W"

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OBKRUOXOGHULBSOLIFBB.W.

FLRVQQPRNGKSSOT.W.

TQSJQSSEKZZ.W.

ATJKLUDIA.W.

INFBNYPVTTMZFPK.W.
GDKZXTJCDIGKUHUAUEKCAR
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add fragments : only one possibility to obtain 2 string of 46 letters like morse code

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OBKRUOXOGHULBSOLIFBB.TQSJQSSEKZZ.INFBNYPVTTMZFPK
FLRVQQPRNGKSSOT.ATJKLUDIA.GDKZXTJCDIGKUHUAUEKCAR
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Then analyze the frequency of the letters, its the same distribution ! someone made sure to get this distribution of letters ? why? 

5 : B
4 : OS
3 : ZTFK
2 : LIQUNP
1 : GHXRJEYVM

5 : K

4 : AU
3 : TRGD
2 : IQCSLJ
1 : HXZFONPVE



now like K1 "KEY", we can try to find the next clue..

add fragments : only two possibilities to obtain 63 letters, only one have a word in corner when we rotate the string "ADD" ?

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OBKRUOXOGHULBSOLIFBB.FLRVQQPRNGKSSOT.TQSJQSSEKZZ.ATJKLUDIAVTTMZFPK
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FLRVQQPRNGKSSOT.TQSJQSSEKZZ.INFBNYPVTTMZFPK.GDKZXTJCDIGKUHUAUEKCAR

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FLRVQQP

RNGKSSO
TTQSJQS
SEKZZIN
FBNYPVT
TMZFPKG
DKZXTJC
DIGKUHU
AUEKCAR
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  Transpositions - how far is too far ?
Posted by: admin - 08-20-2018, 01:19 PM - Forum: Kryptos - No Replies

I am afraid that one could go deep into almost "magical" transposition and the result would still be perfectly acceptable.  This is not a good news.

Let's take an example


We all know that the letters YAR of K3 are slightly in superscript.  So let's take them, following a cycle of 4, 5, 7

YARLSHPTODYHACTYUDSLNNOM
MNTGAIARENEEIICMTNEERTEE
ETHETODTWAEOYQETACFTRMHE
ATMGYETEFFITUAORMENRIDDI
TTSPIRRIWAETILEITGOSDLOI
LMETDANEHMFUCDREIESSTDOW

Even better, we do replace, in K3, each superscript by the letters of K4 (in caps) : when there is no more, put a "z".

endOBhKohnRUrOeocXOeGibiHUsLnaiBShOnreLIlFsllBBl
WohsFLsRrwxVQeQprnPRtNhnrGKpSslnSOlTblpWTaQaewSJ
wQditSSnEahcKZnZudrWAnTaeoJKfLlseUDiIenhAWiIyteN
FhBencNYyPreiVTbTspaMZhFwenPKaWateGDeKrlbZXeToas
JCoDuetIGeKtoaUHaUertAUtEbseKCnAaahRzmztewzzezoa
gzzezfebzzczddhzzczihszzezoeazzdzrydzzrztrkzzlzh
agzzhzrdpzzozmgfzzezheezzmzipfzzmzhnlzztzrtvzzhz

Then we apply the classical double columnar transposition which was the solution of K3 : 24, 8

Then we remove the now useless small letters, to keep only the uppercases which are the letters of K4, reordered in a very exotic way.

BALIDOOPGFUNAOUKRKEYKLNBIXFTG
SWCSKUAWXUZTOQNFBCWJZWKTDSKJH
ETZGRVVPGRSBJSTQWIRUBALKLKMPT
HQZUISODQF

Supposing that this would be enciphered with Quagmire III (which does not seem to be the case, here.  This is just an example).

What is wrong with this ?  Nothing, except, maybe, that do this only with a pencil and a paper would be a bit fastidious.

This shows that an idea can be quite complex and yet prove to be simple to explain, and to apply, standing perfectly in the standards of what is regarded as "acceptable" from the cryptographer point of view.  After all, YAR (or RAY) is right under our nose, no ?

But there are a plenty of things under our nose : too much to explore, too many keys, to many (bad) good looking ideas.

Hence the question : how far is too far ?  Not talking only about transpositions.

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  Is a Playfair really excluded ?
Posted by: admin - 08-20-2018, 09:34 AM - Forum: Kryptos - No Replies

Recently I went into thinking about the K4 "masking technique" could be (sort of) a Playfair, after all.

Yes, I know, Playfair suppose 25 or 36 alphabet, but Jim stated clearly that K4 had all the letters of the alphabet used.

I went into deep thoughts, and resurfaced with a novelty.  Who told us that the alphabet must be a square ?  It is only a convention...

My "alphacross" solution

Let's take 4 alphabets (like in four squares) : BLUE, RED, GREEN, YELLOW.  Reverse Green and Yellow, just to add a bit of spice.

To encipher : HELLOWORLD

BLUEACDFGHIJKMNOPQRSTVWXYZ REDABCFGHIJKLMNOPQSTUVWXYZ
ZYXWVUTSQPOMLKJIHFDCBANERG ZXVUTSRQPNMKJIHGFDCBAWOLEY

We take the rectangle formed by the two first letters (HE) from the alphabet in the top left to the alphabet in the bottom right corner, then take the opposite letters to get YP.

The result is : YPXYVIFIQY

Note that it covers the whole alphabet, being the length you want and yet simple as a-b-c.

Disadvantage

If you compare to the plain vanilla four square thing, the drawback here is that a given letter will always be enciphered with the same letter, making the whole thing more or less a dual-monoalphabetic transposition.  Still, used in combination with a transposition, it could have been hard to break, because to break it, you have to figure how it works, first.

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  MASSTHEWAX and LAYERTWO clues
Posted by: admin - 08-20-2018, 09:13 AM - Forum: Kryptos - No Replies

What is the link between a sculptor and the wax ?  Only one, the ancient art of moulding bronze statues.  You mass the wax to make it softer, you work with it to give its shape (positive).  Then you wrap  in clay, and put to the fire, the wax is lost.

Then put the molten bronze into the mould and let it cool.  When cold, break the cast, enjoy the nice piece of art you have just created.

Analogy to K4


K4 is 97 letters log, which is prime, and do not allow for columnar transposition (at least in the mind of an old school cryptographer like Scheid.  The fact of bein "incomplete" is not by nature, it is only the consequence of the way you achieve the transposition).

The idea here is casting : take K4 not as 97 letters, but as shown on the sculpture (by rows).

And you get :

...........................OBKR
UOXOGHULBSOLIFBBWFLRVQQPRNGKSSO
TWTQSJQSSEKZZWATJKLUDIAWINFBNYP
VTTMZFPKWGDKZXTJCDIGKUHUAUEKCAR

Which is 124 letters long, and multiple of 2^2.

So apply double columnar transposition :

......OUGBIWVRSWJEWKINYTPDTIHER
.......ROLLBRPKTSSZJDINTFGXDUUA
.......KXUOBLQGOQSZTUWBVZWZCKAC
.......BOHSFFQNSTQKALAFPMKKJGUK

And break the cast (remove the dots)

OUGBIWVRSWJEWKINYTPDTIHERROLLBRPKTSSZJDINTFGXDUUAKXUOBLQGOQSZTUWBVZWZCKACBOHSFFQNSTQKALAFPMKKJGUK

Instead of the double transposition, you may also apply a Skip(4) on the 97 letters of K4.

The LAYERWTO clue


Layertwo is an alphabet : when you take the result from the double transposition and you convert it into this alphabet, you get :

KRYPTOSABCDEFGHIJLMNQUVWXZ
LAYERTWOBCDFGHIJKMNPQSUVXZ


                                                                     7              8
1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567
TSHBJVUAWVKFVLJPYREDRJIFAATMMBAELRWWZKDJPRGHXDSSOLXSTBMQHTQWZRSVBUZVZCLOCBTIWGGQPWRQLOMOGENLLKHSL

Where CLOC appears right where it should be, and where we see the word (H)OMOGEN at 85.

Is it part of the solution ?

I think that the goal of the layertwo clue used in combination with massthewax is to show that the alignment is now correct.  This supposes that you have to revert to the standard alphabet.  This was only a second-level communication scheme, to be used as a hint.

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  The IQLUSION clue
Posted by: admin - 08-20-2018, 08:56 AM - Forum: Kryptos - No Replies

To this date, no one came with the explanation for the big typo in the word IQLUSION of K1.  I suspect that in fact many had figured it out, but no one ever published this finding, so, let's go.

To see the clue, you have to work a bit.  First, rotate the block by 7 clockwise

EMUFPHZ
LRFAXYU
SDJKZLD
KRNSHGN
FIVJYQT
QUXQBQV
YUVLLTR
EVJYQTM
KYRDMFD

Will become

KEYQFKSLE
YVUUIRDRM
RJVXVNJFU
DYLQJSKAF
MQLBYHZXP
FTTQQGLYH
DMRVTNDUZ

And the word "KEY" pops-up.  One could argue that the word is only 3 letters and that blah blah coincidence blah blah...  But no, the clue comes along with its proof.

EMUFPHZLRFAXYUSDJKZLDKRNSHGNFIVJYQTQUXQBQVYUVLLTREVJYQTMKYRDMFD
BETWEENSUBTLESHADINGANDTHEABSENCEOFLIGHTLIESTHENUANCEOFIQLUSION


Where we see that in fact, the K from key is the letter that will translate in Q after decipherment.  Should ILLUSION be written without the "typo", we would have ended with a W instead of a K.

This confirms what I had stated on the Yahoo group : the sculpture will show when you are on the good track

What is the meaning of that clue ?  I let you decide, I did not find to this very moment the way to use it.  Does it mean only that we have to apply somewhere a rotation by 7 ?  In that case, the block shoud be a multiple of 7, why not 63 ?

Remember this one ?

He made a specific point that the “key” is not necessarily the keyword. “In a modern digital system, the ‘key’ is the keyword or number that you need to decrypt the message. Everyone knows the algorithm. It is just a black box into which you insert the key and the encrypted text, and the answer comes out the other end. In analog systems (as used in Kryptos) the ‘key’ is the algorithm.”

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  Two parts K4 hypothesis
Posted by: admin - 08-20-2018, 08:28 AM - Forum: Kryptos - No Replies

For a while, now, there was an interresting hypothesis stating that in fact, K4 could be not an homogeneous block, but instead made of two distinct cryptograms.  The last (crazy) hypothesis I saw regarding this was 42 + 55.

But there is a much plausible hypothesis in 63 + 34

  • When JS came with Berlin, he stated that it was a "significant clue" but did not exclude that it was maybe not the word itself that was important.  Berlin comes at position 64.
  • The length of K1 is just 63
Funny maths

K4 length is 97.  Take 9 * 7, it makes 63 (implies 34 for the rest).

Takes 6 + 3 = 9
Takes 3 + 4 = 7

Rejoin them, you get 97.

So for me, this hypothesis is the most convincing, not because it is an idea of mine, but because 63 is obviously everywhere in Kryptos.

Another possibility

We should also consider 63 in the context of K4 "as shown"

...........................OBKR
UOXOGHULBSOLIFBBWFLRVQQPRNGKSSO
TWTQSJQSSEKZZWATJKLUDIAWINFBNYP
VTTMZFPKWGDKZXTJCDIGKUHUAUEKCAR

In such case, the 63th letter would be T(WTQS), at the beginning of the third line.

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  Introduction / Conditions
Posted by: admin - 08-20-2018, 08:06 AM - Forum: Kryptos - No Replies

Owner

This forum is hosted on a subdomain of levilainpetitcanard.be which is a domain owned by Philippe Huysmans.

Who can access the forum

The forum is open to anyone who wish to contribute.  All the material published is openly accessible, without having to login.  Reply and post need a registered account, with a valid e-mail.

Goal

The goal of this forum is not to become a competitor to the Yahoo group, but to be an open place where to discuss freely about new ideas about Kryptos, and more specifically, K4.

Conditions

As opposed to the Yahoo group, by registering here, you are not tied by any obligation to credit the "forum" for you own merit, should you be the one who will find the solution.  There is no point in a collaborative approach, since there is no such thing like a search space that could be divided between the members of a group, each one taking his part of the burden.

Everyone choose what he/she wants to share,  knowing that if nobody share anything, no progress will ever been achieved.  It is now 15 years that the Yahoo group was created, and they are still at the exact same place : no progress was ever recorded.

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